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REGULAR MEETING OF THELANDMARKS COMMISSION Founded 1875 “Populus felix in urbe felici” |
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Monday,
October 11, 2004 7:00 PM |
City Council
Chambers, Room 213, |
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CALL
TO ORDER: 7:04
1. ROLL CALL
Nina Fresco, Chair Pro Tem
Roger Genser, Chairperson
Barbara Kaplan, Commissioner
Deborah Levin, Commissioner
Colin Maduzia, Commissioner
Also
Present: Roxanne Tanemori, Commission
Secretary
Elizabeth
Bar-El, Associate Planner
Barry Rosenbaum, Senior Land Use Attorney
Michael
Feinstein, Council Liaison – arrived @9:28pm
Arlene
Johnson, Staff Assistant
2. REPORT FROM STAFF:
Ms. Tanemori
reported that staff has arranged for the first in a series of historic
preservation training sessions beginning in November for Commission and Board
members, and city staff. The first topic
will be implementation of the Secretary of the Interior Standards for treatment
of historic properties in ways to make meaningful findings. Staff will make every effort to schedule the
training in accordance with the Commissions availability. The following schedule is currently proposed:
Monday evening in the month of November or immediately before the November 8th
meeting. Staff will confirm with the Los
Angeles Conservancy once the Commission decides on a date. At the October 4th Architectural
Review Board meeting, the board discussed draft revisions to resolution No.
95-001. A portion of these draft
revisions specifically relate to staff review and approval of proposed
modifications to structures on the City’s Historic Resource Inventory and to
structures in the Ocean Park neighborhood. A discussion item regarding the draft
resolution will be agendized for the November 8th meeting for the
Commission’s review. Commissioner Kaplan
will provide comments when the draft resolution is brought back to ARB for
discussion. In regard to the Comprehensive
General Plan Land Use Element update, the City Council along with the Planning
Commission will meet on Tuesday, October 26th to discuss the
proposed public participation process and schedule for the Land Use
update. In the future the Commission will
receive more information regarding opportunities for their participation and
feedback during the process.
3. COMMISSIONER ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco stated that the Santa Monica Conservancy is planning a tour of the Third
Street Historic District in January. For
more information, the public can join the Conservancy and be put on the mailing
list. Also, there are brochures on the
table outside.
Chairperson
Genser stated that he would not be attending the November 8th meeting.
4. APPROVAL OF
MINUTES:
Public Input Permitted
A. September 13,
2004
Commissioner
Lerher made a motion to approve the minutes.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco seconded the motion, which passed by voice vote,
with Commissioners Levin and Maduzia abstaining. Commissioner Kaplan made the following
corrections: On page 4, 1st paragraph, change “would” to “will”, and
“as a whole” to “from the street”. Also,
change “a historic building”, to “a historic building that is part of a
historic district”.
5. APPROVAL OF STATEMENTS OF OFFICIAL ACTION:
A. Findings and
Determination: Landmark Designation Application LC-04LM-006,
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco made a motion to approve. Commissioner
Berley seconded the motion, which passed by voice vote, with Commissioners
Levin and Maduzia abstaining.
6. PUBLIC INPUT: (On items not
on agenda and within the jurisdiction of the Commission)
7. CONSENT CALENDAR:
Public Input Permitted
None.
8. OLD
BUSINESS:
Public Input Permitted
Chairperson
Genser recused himself from this item.
Ms. Tanemori
presented the staff report.
The following
members of the public addressed the Commission:
Bea Nemlaha, applicant and Ralph Mechur, architect.
Commissioner
Kaplan felt that the revision wasn’t exactly the solution that she was looking
for, however, it is less imposing on the street than the original
proposal. She stated that it is
acceptable and a beautiful solution architecturally. It is subtle enough that it won’t distract
from the property’s character when viewed from the street. She supports the staff report.
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco agreed with Commissioner Kaplan.
She stated that it is a nice solution and that it’s beautiful and will
blend. However, she felt the matching of
the house siding wasn’t as fully consistent as she would like. However, it is discreet enough. It isn’t her first choice but a good
second.
Commissioner
Berley stated that he was pleased with the revision and hopes that the
applicant is also happy with the solution.
This will accomplish what the criteria asks for in terms of how the
Commission deals with historic structures in historic districts as well as
satisfying some of their own personal criteria.
Commissioner
Lehrer made a motion to approve the revised plans as presented. Commissioner Maduzia seconded the motion,
which passed by the following vote:
Ayes: Berley, Fresco, Kaplan, Lehrer, Levin,
Maduzia
Nayes: None
Abstain: Genser
Absent: None
Ms.
Tanemori presented the staff report.
The following members
of the public addressed the Commission:
Ivor Samson, David Hibbert, Maryjo Winder and Louis Colleto.
Chairperson
Genser stated that in reviewing the consultant’s report, he noted that the
property qualifies under two of the six criteria; criteria #4 and #5.
Commissioner
Lehrer stated that the alteration of the service station into a
Ms. Reich,
Urban designer stated that, after speaking to the consultant, there is a
possibility for the Landmarks Commission to recognize the accessory building
but not include it in the designations.
Commissioner
Levin asked if the building could be placed on the inventory list in the case
of alterations.
Ms. Bar-El
stated that the Commission could add language to the designation to note that
it is in the same style. If and when
Sears would come back with proposals for alterations to the property through a
Certificate of Appropriateness, even if the accessory building is called out as
a more minor contributor to the property as a whole, the Commission could
consider in the Certificate of Appropriateness what action to take as far as
their proposal.
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco stated that Sears occupying that property is an important part of the
Commission’s findings and the continued significance of the building.
Commissioner
Maduzia thanked staff and Sears for the research conducted. He also stated that he is having a hard time
finding a reason to include the accessory structure in the designation.
Commissioner
Berley wondered if Sears’ options would be limited if the buildings were
landmarked.
Chairperson
Genser stated that the iconic nature of the main Sears building dwarfs the
iconic status of the
Commissioner
Lehrer stated that the accessory building exhibits less significance than the
main Sears building. If that is clearly
indicated in the wording of the designation itself that it is an accessory
building that has undergone a change of use and physical alterations, that it
still has a design relationship to the sears building but is considered to be
of lesser significance, that would provide direction for consideration of
future changes. In the context of the
ordinance, there would be a range of options that would still be open for Sears
economically, such as Certificate of Hardship.
Sears is a vital part of the community and the Commission hopes it will
stay healthy. She supports moving ahead
with the designation clearly indicating that the former service station, now
Commissioner
Maduzia stated that the service center meets some of the criteria, at least
two. He also stated the Commission is
trying to preserve the fabric of the community.
It is a building that people marvel at on a regular basis. However he had a hard time understanding how
the
Commissioner
Lehrer stated that the
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco felt that it is really important that Sears remain on that site. She agreed with Commissioner Lehrer’s
description of the
Commissioner
Berley stated that the Commission wants to preserve the opportunity for consideration
of the accessory building for the future, and that consideration from Sears, at
least be addressed as a part of their future designs for the property. He also
stated that the Commission does not view this necessarily as a limitation or a
restriction on what Sears can do. It’s a
means of trying to incorporate this idea of their role in the community in a
way that retains its meaningfulness and its aspect of the beauty that that site
possesses.
Commissioner
Maduzia asked if the entire parcel of land would be included in the
designation, because his concern would be the building of some high-rise that
would obscure two facades of the property.
Ms. Bar-El
stated that whenever you designate a landmark property, any changes on the
property would come before the Landmarks Commission and would need a
Certificate of Appropriateness.
Mr. Rosenbaum
reminded the Commission that the only matter before them is the landmark
application, and it does point to the need to be clear in the designations to
how you’re viewing the property because that may influence how the Commission
acts in the future.
Commissioner
Kaplan stated that she was not convinced that there were enough findings to
include the accessory building, even as a less significant contribution. Given the plans that were presented and
understanding that this has been significantly altered, does the property still
have enough integrity and connection to the other property to include it?
Commissioner
Lehrer stated that the accessory building was a support service for the main
store, but it was still a functioning support service, which worked as a whole
in terms of being a place to shop and an attraction for families and having the
parking there, etc. In terms of its
design, clearly there’s a design relationship between the accessory building
and the main building with the Moderne style and particularly the shape and
form of the roof. The designation should
note that the accessory building has had physical alterations and a change of
use, and that it doesn’t have the same level of significance. She stated that it has architectural and
historical significance under Criteria 1, 4, 5 and 6. She also referenced that this building was
owned by the Janss Development Company, who shaped the landscape of
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco stated that in finding #3, the Sears building stands out from other
Sears outlets due to its pedestrian orientation and downtown location. She would like to make sure that Sears is
allowed to continue to have that pedestrian orientation, and that bridges and
tunnels aren’t built over, across and in front of it.
Commissioner
Lehrer made a motion to designate the Sears building as a landmark including
the original service station, now Garden Center, as an accessory building of
lesser architectural significance. Also,
add to the staff’s findings that the Brentwood Country Mart was a part of
Rowland Crawford’s work. Chair Pro Tem
Fresco seconded the motion, which passed by the following vote:
Ayes: Berley, Fresco, Kaplan, Lehrer,
Levin, Maduzia, Genser
Nayes: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
9. NEW BUSINESS/PUBLIC HEARINGS:
Ms.
Tanemori presented the staff report.
Commissioner
Berley made a motion to move this item to after item 10A to allow the applicant
time to arrive. Commissioner Lehrer
seconded the motion, which passed unanimously by voice vote.
10.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
1.
R1-Single
Family Residential
Single Family
Residence w/2-Car Garage
This item will
be continued to the November 8th meeting due to an error in the
noticing.
2.
OP2-Ocean Park
Low-Multi-Residential
Single Family Residence
and
Structure Not
Identified in Historic Resources Inventory
3. 2308
R1-Single Family
Residential
Single Family Dwelling
w/One-Car Detached Garage
Structure Not
Identified in Historic Resources Inventory
4.
R2-Low Density
Multi-Residential
Single Family
Residential w/1-Car Detached Garage
Structure Not
Identified in Historic Resources Inventory
5.
R1-Single Family
Residential
Single Family Residence
w/ 2-Car Detached Garage
Structure Not
Identified in Historic Resources Inventory
6.
R1-Single Family
Residential
Single Family Residence
w/Attached Garage
Structure Not
Identified in Historic Resources Inventory
There was no
action taken on Item 10A(2-6).
1.
04MA-001 at
2.
04MA-002 at
3.
04MA-003 at
4.
04MA-004 at
5.
04MA-005 at
6.
04MA-006 at
7.
04MA-007 at
Commissioner
Lehrer made a motion to approve Mills Acts 1-7 and 11. Chair Pro Tem Fresco seconded the motion,
which passed unanimously by voice vote.
8.
04MA-008 at
Commissioner
Levin recused herself from this item.
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco made a motion to approve. Commissioner
Lehrer seconded the motion, which passed by voice vote.
9.
04MA-009 at
Chairperson
Genser recused himself from this item.
Commissioner
Kaplan made a motion to approve.
Commissioner Berley seconded the motion, which passed by voice vote.
10. 04MA-010 at
Commissioner
Kaplan recused herself from this item.
Chair Pro Tem
Fresco made a motion to approve and revise the work order to include the
restoration of missing striations of the exterior plaster where necessary. Commissioner Levin seconded the motion, which
passed by voice vote.
11. 04MA-011 at
Commissioner
Berley made a motion to continue Item 9A to the November 8th
meeting. Chair Pro Tem Fresco seconded
the motion, which passed unanimously by voice vote.
B.
Discussion of a Development Agreement proposal
for a 77-room hotel, with a restaurant and subterranean parking at 1327, 1333,
Ms. Reich presented the staff report.
The Commission had many questions in regard to the process through which a Development Agreement would be drafted, reviewed and approved. City staff provided information regarding some of the procedural requirements for a Development Agreement.
Michael Feinstein arrives at 9:28:55 PM.
The following members of the public addressed the Commission: David Daniels, Sami El Bayars and Teresa Grimes.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco stated that the proposed
project is a fabulous idea in concept.
She liked the placement of the historic structures and the building in
the background. She disagrees with the
staff report in that this is not just a façade with a new building behind
it. It should be treated as a whole
structure. The Rapp Saloon on
Commissioner Berley stated that he would like to see more references to the moving/storage company and the procedures they will employ to ensure that proper care will be given to the movement and storage of historic structures onsite.
Commissioner Maduzia concurred with Chair Pro Tem Fresco. He stated he would also like to see from the Secretary of Interior Standards guidelines a little more differentiation from the 1337 Ocean building and the building behind. He didn’t have a problem with the stucco, but suggested perhaps a different color and maybe change the identical pitch roof. Perhaps a built up roof similar to the rear of the property might more effectively distinguish the newer building from the 1337 Ocean landmarked building in the front.
Commissioner Lehrer commended the applicants for the direction that they’re going in, and she agrees with their basic concept. To develop a hotel project with these constraints on three parcels is very challenging. Her concerns are with what happens on the Victorian, as it’s adaptively reused into a restaurant. There will be a major addition and changes to the building. It’s a complicated project, and she would like the Landmarks Commission to be more involved with the process. She was reluctant to bypass the Certificate of Appropriateness where the Commission has a chance to comment on all of the treatments and what happens with these two buildings.
Commissioner Levin stated that she was very impressed when she viewed this project. She likes the public space.
Chairperson Genser stated that he was excited about this project. He felt that more of the northern façade should be retained because it faces the public and creates a sense of public space. There is a loss of architectural detail, particularly in the rear of the structure and it seems like the character of the building is really compromised, at least there. The rest of the project is great. We have to realize that this is a Development Agreement on a landmarked building, and they need to be looked at a little more closely.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco stated that projections on the second floor are very unique, and with a Development Agreement, and maybe exterior sprinklers perhaps they both can be saved. She would like to see this taken under consideration. She also mentioned, through a suggestion by Michael Feinstein, that in the course of this Development Agreement that City Council could direct some of the negotiated fees to a historic preservation fund that would give the Commission money to help implement the Historic Preservation Element.
Commissioner Kaplan stated that this is a positive step for the City’s Landmarks Program and for thoughtful development. The applicant has done a great job incorporating the two buildings into a well thought out project. She likes the concept of subtle differentiation. Perhaps the detailing of the new windows might be different than the original windows. She would like to see a solution that makes it clear that one part is original and one isn’t, such as a wall finish material that can differentiate the old from the new with subtle variations in texture or color. If we could gain more of the north façade as a result of lifting the building without harm, then that would be the ideal situation in order to maintain as much of the existing building as possible. It would be good if landmarks could be involved, whether through a traditional Certificate of Appropriateness or a continuing discussion. She also supports the idea of a gift for historic preservation.
Commissioner Berley stated that he can see the problem that the parking creates. He suggested that the applicant revisit the parking situation noting that they were providing 146 parking spaces when they only needed 131. This way it wouldn’t be such a severe impact on reworking the design. He also stated that they are setting a wonderful precedent by engaging the Commission at an early stage. A concern he has is regarding landmark properties and the potential for Development Agreements negotiated and approved by the City Council without the Landmark Commission’s input, sets a dangerous precedent. It leads perhaps to the idea that other developers could bypass Landmarks Commission review and not acknowledge that Landmark structures are important to the historic fabric of this City. It’s important that the Landmarks Commission’s voice not be taken from this process.
Chairperson Genser stated that in regard to the northern façade, he felt that the whole feeling of the building is lost with the current design he would like to see more of the northern façade retained.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco made a motion to recommend to City Council the following: set the correct precedent, which would include careful landmark review throughout the process of the planning and design of the building; landmark comments on the Certificates of Appropriateness issued for this project; mitigation fees gathered from the developer to be directed toward a preservation fund; keep as much of the original façades as possible; more reference checks on the moving company; that the adaptive reuse of the Victorian be sensitive; re-examine the transition between the buildings so that the Victorian looks more natural in the environment and Landmark comments go directly to the City Council and not be filtered through the Planning Commission. Commissioner Berley seconded the motion, which passed by the following vote:
Ayes: Berley, Fresco, Kaplan, Lehrer,
Levin, Maduzia, Genser
Nayes: None
Abstain: None
Absent: None
C. Discussion of the Ocean Park Survey Update and Next Geographical Area to be Re-surveyed as Part of the City’s Project to Update the Historic Resources Inventory.
Ms. Tanemori presented the staff report.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco made a motion to continue the meeting past 11:00. Chairperson Genser seconded the motion, which passed unanimously by voice vote.
Chair Pro Tem Fresco suggested that by not resurveying the Pier, expenditures might be reduced, thereby allowing them to look at the park more carefully. She also mention that the Commission discussed in the past, surveying courtyard architecture.
After a brief discussion, Chairperson Genser made a motion to look at area # 2 with the conditions that Chair Pro Tem Fresco suggested. Commissioner Berley seconded the motion, which passed unanimously by voice vote.
Chairperson Genser suggested that a meeting be conducted in November, between the Landmarks Chair, Vice Chair, staff liaison and the consultant, to further discuss the Ocean Park Update.
D. Planning Commission Case List (Information Only)
11. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS:
Public Input Permitted
None.
12. FUTURE AGENDA ITEMS: (Requests from Commissioners to add
items to upcoming agendas)
Chair Pro Tem Fresco requested to agendize a discussion of ways to implement the Historic Preservation Element in the Land Use Element.
13. NEXT MEETING DATE AND COMMISSION AGENDA: Monday, November 8, 2004.
14. ADJOURNMENT:
11:17 pm